I spent a good portion of the weekend alternatively wondering what Congressman Mark Kirk's explanation was for his vote in favor of the Waxman Markey energy bill, commonly known as the 'climate change' bill (technically, the American Clean Energy and Security Act, or "ACES" as the acronym-builders would have it), and then reading the posts and comments of many, many upset Republicans on various blogs and newspaper websites. As we explained here last week, many view this bill as nothing more than an astonishingly large new tax on the American people, which will further add to the bloat of government, stifle the economy, and reduce our ability to compete with the likes of China and India (which have no such qualms about moving full speed ahead with their economic development, carbon emissions be damned).
Those of us who have backed Mark Kirk for the better part of nine years now knew he had to have a good reason for taking this vote. But, there wasn't a lot of information coming from Team Kirk. Over the weekend, my friend Antonietta "Ant" Simonian, Executive Director of the Lake County Republican Federation, grabbed Mark for a half hour on his cell phone and got his explanation. There has also been an e-mail going around, although the regular distribution seems to have been messed up, as I usually get two copies of everything Team Kirk sends out, and I did not get this one.
In any case, reprinted below is Ant's blast e-mail to the Federation mailing list, and Kirk's detailed e-mail explanation of his vote. I'm still left wondering why, if Team Kirk anticipated the adverse reaction of many supporters, why they didn't get out in front of this story earlier, as some of the speculation I read over the weekend even suggested that Kirk must have made some trade with Emanuel/Pelosi machine for his vote. If you don't fill the vaccum with something, people are going to speculate. With even folks like Anne Leary at BackyardConservative calling for Kirk's head, there's a lot of damage control that needs to be done by Kirk.
Anyway, here's Ant, followed by the Kirk e-mail:
Over the past few weeks, partisans on both sides of the aisle bombarded media outlets with praises and warnings of the legislation. I spoke to Congressman Kirk this afternoon and expressed my concern on his vote for the legislation. I wish I could repeat the conversation verbatim (nearly 25 minutes) as it continues to demonstrate his intellect, his commitment to public service and to leading by example. A "no" vote would have been tremendously easier. The extreme rhetoric on both sides resulted in Congressman Kirk conducting his own research based on more non partisan sources including Midwest Generation (provider of energy to the 10th Congressional District), NASA, NOA, and the Congressional Budget Office. Kirk read each of the 1,200 plus pages of the legislation and voted his conscience. Below is his statement and I thank you in advance for reading it. If you wish to express your opinions, please e-mail me at antruns7@gmail.com.
Warmest Regards, Antonietta "Ant" Simonian
Executive Director, Lake County Republican Federation
Statement by Congressman Mark Kirk
For 2009, our top goal should be energy independence. I support exploring for energy off our coasts, expanding nuclear power and building a natural gas pipeline across Canada to lower heating costs in the Midwest - an "all-of-the-above" energy strategy.
As a Navy veteran, I think is time to set America's policy towards defunding Middle Eastern dictatorships by cutting our foreign oil bill, giving our troops less to worry about. That is why during the debate on the American Clean Energy and Security (ACES) bill, I voted for the Republican Forbes (R-VA) Substitute, based on the text of the New Manhattan Project for Energy Independence, H.R. 513. Our "Manhattan" energy bill set a goal of reducing our dependence on foreign oil by 50% in 10 years and 100% in 20 years. The bill cost $24 billion but would eliminate the $400 billion Americans currently spend on foreign oil. Our bill backs solar, wind, hydro, clean coal and nuclear power. It enhances research, especially in nuclear fusion, bio-fuels, carbon-capture systems and efficiency upgrades. Unfortunately, this bill was defeated by a vote of 172 to 255.
While less ideal than the Forbes Substitute, the underlying ACES bill would still lower our dependence on foreign oil by diversifying American energy production. It is time to break the boom and bust cycle of high gas prices and the need to deploy three separate armies to the Middle East (Desert Storm, Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom). As you may know, I am a veteran of the Desert Storm and Enduring Freedom missions.
With regard to the main thrust of the ACES bill, I am also concerned about growing air pollution, both from our country and overseas. I do not think we should ignore this problem. While the ACES bill is overly complicated, I voted in favor of the legislation to address these problems, looking forward to major improvements in the Senate.
In 1998 and 1999, I served as part of the U.S. delegation to both the Kyoto and Buenos Aires UN Climate Change conferences. In those years, there was a significant debate about the amount and effect of atmospheric carbon dioxide. I was a skeptic and spent hundreds of hours on the subject of 1990s climate science. In the Congress, our job is to learn as much as possible from the latest peer-reviewed non-partisan scientists and then plot the best course for our nation.
There is now a growing scientific consensus that the level of atmospheric carbon dioxide affects average temperatures. According to the National Academy of Scientists, carbon dioxide levels rose to a high of 290 parts per million 130,000 years ago, causing a 20 degree increase in temperature. As carbon dioxide levels fell, so did average temperatures. Both Presidents Bush and their advisors recognized this long relationship and put forward their own plans to reduce the recent rapid growth of atmospheric carbon dioxide, both here and abroad.
According to NASA, the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere rose from a pre-industrial level of 280 parts per million in 1850 to 385 parts per million today. According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the rate of increase is accelerating, from 376 parts per million in 2004 to 385 today. The National Academy of Sciences reports that the earth's average temperature already increased by 1.4°F, from 56.8°F in 1920 to 58.2°F in 2007. NOAA also reports that due to a 30% drop in winter ice covering the Great Lakes since 1972, evaporation may be the cause of Lake Michigan's declining water level.
If we examine the lowest-case NASA projection, they expect the amount of atmospheric carbon dioxide to rise to 440 parts per million by 2020. I am a strong supporter of the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office. When they reported the Democratic health care bill cost $1.6 Trillion, we should take notice and rewrite that bill. That is why I have become one of the leading Republican authors of an alternative health care bill that will be the Congress's least expensive bill, costing our Treasury very little. I read their report on ACES carefully too. CBO reports that peer-reviewed scientists expect the world's average temperature to increase by 9 degrees by 2100, lowering U.S. economic output by 3% annually. In sum, they estimated the costs of the bill per household at $140 annually.
The main section of the ACES bill affects entities that emit more than 25,000 tons of carbon annually, roughly 7,400 sites across the U.S. (e.g. the current Clean Air Act already covers 22,000 sites). The best way to understand this bill is to look at its effect on our district's main source of electricity, the Midwest Generation electrical plant in Waukegan. If you go to any beach in our district, you will see it on the northern Lake Michigan shoreline. In sum, Midwest Generation burns coal to produce four million megawatt hours of electricity, serving 330,000 households annually in northern Illinois. Under ACES, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) would issue permits for the four million tons of carbon this plant plans to emit in 2012. Half of the permits would be issued for free, half at a cost of $15 per ton, totaling $33 million in new costs (electricity generators using solar, wind, hydro and nuclear technologies do not emit carbon and would not pay such costs).
Midwest sells its electricity to Commonweath Edison. Under ACES, EPA would refund to ComEd $30 million of the $33 million Midwest paid to EPA. The Act requires that this funding be used to reduce the cost of electricity to lower and middle income families. In the end, Commonwealth Edison would pass about $3 million in new costs on to northern Illinois consumers, or roughly $14 annually per home. As you can see, the costs of this bill are modest, mainly intended to move energy production in the United States to renewable technology. Midwest Generation also advised me they strongly supported the bill, as did Commonwealth Edison.
Major emitters can also invest in plants and trees that remove carbon from the atmosphere. By planting nine acres of trees, an emitter can offset a ton of carbon emissions annually. Many of these investments will help farmers and may be arranged by the Chicago Climate Exchange, using our city's expertise in trading credits for agricultural products. Under this legislation, we also expect total wind power generation to expand at an annual rate of 16%, doubling wind production from its current 3% of U.S. totals power to 6% over the next 10 years. Because the U.S. solar and wind production is still so small, the legislation also contains provisions to encourage the construction of new nuclear plants to power our economic growth. Recently, our country started building new nuclear power plants, with 17 applications for 26 new plants.
ACES also increases energy efficiency standards for homes and commercial buildings - but recently passed Illinois standards are already as stringent as the new federal standards. The effect of this bill will be to increase other states to the Illinois standards. By one estimate, such efficiency standards will lower household energy costs by $3,900 annually. This would cut our foreign oil bills substantially.
In sum, I would have preferred a bill that focused more on energy independence and less on some of the complications in this bill. Nevertheless, the 1990 Clean Air Act signed by President Bush established a cap and trade system to reduce acid rain that proved to be a great low-cost success. Much of the poisoned lakes in the east and New England have recovered from acid rain. In the coming Senate debate, I hope we can repeat this environmental success and aggressively back a national program to defund Iran and Venezuela by reducing America's need for foreign oil.
Mark Kirk
Member of Congress
Monday, June 29, 2009
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Thank You for printing what most of us did NOT receive via email. I sincerely believe that Mark can do better in his rationale for support than from this long-winded, very hard to decipher reason for his vote. Keeping it simple would be far better, but this is better than no statement at all. One this we should all know is that he didn't and wouldn't sell out to anyone on this vote. That's just a stupid assumption.
Mark Kirk needs to get in front of his constituents and others and engage in a give and take conversation so that this hullabaloo will begin to die down. I don't think it's as easy as just this written statement. I hope that we don't ever judge this man on the strength of one vote and one vote only. That would truly be a tragedy and a disservice to him and to the country. I hope we can hear his side of this rather than just read his statement.
This true believer is no more a believer in Mark Kirk. I want my $2400 back.
I am really disappointed by Mark's vote.
I'm shocked, disappointed, and angry that Mark Kirk supported this bill. This legislation, if not stopped, will prove extremely harmful to the economy and the strength of U.S. industrial and military leadership.
Moreover, Mark's vote provided aid and comfort to the Democrat agenda at a time when conservatives need to exert manly and forceful opposition against the radical Democrat agenda.
Mark, have You lost Your mind? You have made political enemies within Your own party.
Thanks for giving Mr. Kirk's perspective and a chance for his constituents to offer criticisms.
I can hardly express how angry I am about this vote. I agree with anonymous that the explanation (such as it is) offered here is as inadequate and unconvincing as it is long-winded.
For a man who had a chance to help lead his party out of the wilderness with intelligence and conviction to instead turn traitor on THIS crappy bill is bizarre. As I commented on many threads this weekend, he has in one fell swoop lost his supportive base and gained an unreliable, staunchly Democratic-partisan "green" alliance that will get him nowhere in his quest for higher office.
Genius strategy, congressman.
But here is the real kicker for me. He claims to have read every page of this insanely long and convoluted bill. Ok. Who am I to deny his Evelyn Wood speedreading prowess? But if he did read it all, does that mean that he is no longer a free trade advocate either? Because this bill includes the worst protectionist provocation since Smoot-Hawley (such good timing, too), slipped in at the last minute. If we wish to start a new trade war and bring on the Second Great Depression, this bill is a big step in the right direction.
So, Congressman Kirk, I ask you to tell me which is true: did you knowingly vote for a protectionist Trojan Horse or did you skip over that section? Do you feel used by your good friends, Ms Pelosi and Mr. Obama? I hope so.
And I hope you lose your seat, as well as any bid for higher office.
Anon 1:26 your anger is palpable and very understandable. Kirk did read the original bill but not the 300 pages or so slipped in in the wee hours of Friday morning. Those were the pages that John Boehner was reading before the vote. Like you I am upset with Kirk, angry at his inability to talk to those of us who have voted for him in the past. His future is surely not clear, that's for sure.
You must have read those 300 addditional pages to know what else was slipped in there and voted on by the Pelosi/Waxman/Markey maniacs. I would say, however, that the bill is far from law. Very far from being enacted since it now goes to the Senate where we might get some clear heads who are not left wing wack jobs hell bent on taking our country where none of us in this district care to go. I would like to hear directly from Mark Kirk, not in a letter, but in a face to face town hall meeting. Anything short of that is just not acceptable. If he wants us to continue supporting him I hope he can be persuaded to do just that very soon.
Any Congressman who claims to have read that bill before voting is a liar. It was over 1200 pages long, one-quarter of which was added at 3:00AM the morning before the vote. I have voted for Kirk in each of his past campaigns, but will now actively work for his defeat in any future election.
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NO, Anon 2:01, he did read the original bill but not the 300 page add-on that was given to members hours before the vote. That's where much of the bad stuff is found. I do want to hear from him and not in the explanation that TA posted today. Those words mean nothing to me and really don't give me or others his reasoning that brought him to make that vote. I am sure he doesn't realize what that vote has done to his career. We seem to understand that this might well end his tenure in office and that would be a real shame.
I am not in Mr Kirk's district but have heard his position statements on the radio before. Should he choose to run for statewide office in Illinois, I would find it easy to be awakened to do everything in my power to make sure he is defeated. This idiocy over global warming and the horrendous tax increase this bill provides needed to be controlled and , it is obvious by the vote, that could have happened with a few Republicans voting the voice of reason.
Congressman Kirk's rambling rationale behind voting for Cap and Tax is straight out of the democrat playbook of scaring the public into submission. Remember the predictions of more and larger hurricanes in the 2007 and 2008 seasons? - didn't happen. Dire predictions of sea level rise? - waaaaay off. Finally admitting that the temp records were fudged, etc, etc. I live in McHenry County but we are very much aware of the RINO in the 10th district. We'll be financially supporting any challenger to Kirk - even a democrat if need be. The GOP job #1is ridding itself of RINOs. Maybe you voter in #10 can convience Kirk to follow Arlen Sphincter and make it official by joining the dems.
I was a huge fan of Mark Kirk, who gave me hope that there was a politician I could believe in. To say I am dissappointed is a major understatement.
All of us true believers who believe Mark Kirk is a closet Democrat should be looking for someone from the right to challenge Kirk in the primary. And, while we're at it, Sullivan and Cole, too. All nothin but RINOs.
anon 6:35
You go ahead and get your primary challenger and then enjoy being represented by a Garrett, Bond, or Seals who will vote with Obama close to 100% of the time.
All of these people calling for a challenger to Kirk are part of the problem with the Republican party. You want Mark excommunicated fine, enjoy staying in the minority. You have to be willing to accept some dissenting votes in order to move forward.
The GOP has the chance to take both Biden and Obama's Senate seats, but these "true believers" won't vote for Castle or Kirk because they won't vote the party line 100%? I would much rather have someone who votes on "my side" 70% of time than 0%.
Usually I'm with you about voting most of the time with the party but MK's vote this time was so out of line it CANNOT be defended. I wasn't bothered he was pro-choice but a Fiscal conservative he's not and that's my hot button issue. I'm tired of being taxed to death by the other side and I'll be darned if I'll take it from a Congressman I have always voted for.
Voted against the Stimulus.
Voted against the Omnibus bill.
One of the few MoC to ban earmarks.
I could keep going, but these are the most recent. Kirk is fiscally conservative.
This isn't Utah or Texas, you need to have some blue streaks to win in this state. Pat Toomey would get creamed in the IL-10, but if that's the kinda guy you want, enjoy being represented by Madigan, Durbin, Giannoulias, etc.
Kirk can blather all he wants, but it won't work. One suspects he made a deal with the Dems in exchange for a win in2010. They'll screw him, of course, and he desreves it.
"Many of these investments will help farmers and may be arranged by the Chicago Climate Exchange"
So Kirk voted for this bill so he could take my money and give it to investment bankers? He must be getting quite a donation from these guys.
Even if you think that GW is real and C02 is the cause, this bill will do nothing to stop it.
"But it is just one vote"...nonsense. This bill gives complete control over the economy to the federal government. The founding fathers fought a revolution over less egregious violations of their individual liberties.
I will personally work against Kirk and won't donate a dime to his re-election. Every republican I know feels the same.
Not so, Anon 9:13. I'm a Republican and a Kirk supporter who will vote for him in 2010. When Mark Kirk said that doing nothing is not an option I can understand that as a reason to vote to have a real discussion when this bill comes back from it's work over in the Senate. We need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil for starters. We can argue on many of the parts of the House version of the bill that are not worthy of passing. Can we agree to wait and see what the Senate version comes up with before we toss out the proverbial 'baby' with the bathwater? As a previous poster noted, Kirk voted against the Stimulus, ditto for the Omnibus, he has held the line on earmarks. I attended the Town Hall meeting a few weeks ago on Healthcare. He is strongly opposed to what the administration is proposing. And you want to tell me that everything he has done and is doing is wrong? Come on. Can we give Mr. Kirk some room to explain to the voters in this district why he cast the vote? Can we give this guy an opportunity to talk to us about what he sees that he can support in a final bill? Or are we going to dig in our heels and just forget all the good that he has done the past 9 years. This Republican is more than willing to listen, to not make a knee-jerk reaction to everything that's circling around right now. The words of an old Gilbert and Sullivan Operetta come to mind.....one line in particular.....whatever it is I'm against it, I don't care who prepares or presents it, I'm against it. Well, I'm not. I want to give Congressman Kirk an opportunity to tell all of us why he voted this way. Can we at least listen?
Actually, that was a Groucho Marx musical (Horse Feathers), but well stated anyway.
I beg to differ, TA. I was IN that musical in the middle of the last century ( now you know my age) as senior in High School. Maybe others borrowed from Gilbert and Sullivan, but I sang those words so I remember them well. The point is still the same. We need not make a statement that whatever is out there is something to be against. And I'm sad to think that many in the 10th District would oust our Congressman without a full hearing of why he cast the vote. Let's get some sleep. I think we all can use some quiet time.
>>You want Mark excommunicated fine, enjoy staying in the minority.<<
Lemme see....voted against domestic oil and gas exploration...voted FOR saving horses from slaughter but AGAINST human babies from slaughter...rated a "D" by the NRA for being for gun control....voted WTH Obama on use and expansion of embryonic cell experimentation and now this horrific climate change vote!!!??? Soooo...we're supposed to hold our noses - heck, even promote this guy within the GOP - for being "half-Republican"? Well, if standing by my core principles keeps me in the minority - then that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make! For what does it profit a man to win the world but lose his soul?
Sounds like a reasonable Kirk position - I am a veteran too and think we should change our energy policy. Right now all of you pay $2.55 a gallon and we in the Army pay the ultimate price. I would rather pay for American renewable energy and give our future troops a break. Makes sense to cut our gas money to Iran.
Another poster said
>>>Or are we going to dig in our heels and just forget all the good that he has done the past 9 years.<<<
My sainted old German grandmother was basically a decent person, but had a major flaw. Intensely proud of her German heritage, she was an apologist for Hitler...you know the bit "Under der fuher the trains ran on time and there was food on the shelves". Now I'm not saying the Congressman is anything like Hitler - but I am saying that some voters (like the quoted poster) will slavishly counter obvious political "show-stoppers" with a litany of what their candidate has done "right"....logic and reason be damned.
Obama budget - Kirk voted NO
Stimulus - Kirk voted NO
Omnibus - Kirk voted NO
Earmarks - Kirk takes NONE
Cap & Trade - Kirk voted Yes
Cut Missile Defense - Kirk voted NO
Card Check - Kirk voted NO
Ledbetter - Kirk voted NO
Govt Health Care - Kirk voted NO
Illegal Amnesty - Kirk voted NO
"Show me a Republican who disagrees with me 20% of the time and I will show you a man I agree with 80% of the time."
-- Ronald Reagan
Hey Vietnam Vet....you see Iran anywhere on this list? These are the US governments own figures.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html
Do the math....Kirk's bill isn't a change in energy policy! The numbers irrefutably show that! Rather it's a thinly veiled political trick to direct the sheeples' attention away from his hideous betrayal of his party in voting for Obama's climate tax. Wise up.
>>Show me a Republican who disagrees with me 20% of the time<<
Dixon,
I take it that in your opinion then that abortion, fetal stem cell research, 2nd Amendment Rights, exploration and use of domestic oil production and Cap and Tax equal 20% of the Republican platform???? To paraphrase your cited Ronald Reagan quote:
"Show me a Republican who disagrees with me 70% of the time and I'll show you a Democrat"
I will never understand all of you posters who want to crucify Mark Kirk for his vote Friday night. The bill is not law, the bill has no chance of passing the Senate as presented and you KNOW IT. What in the world do you want from this man? My hunch is that none of you have ever really supported this man, none of you truly can appreciate the fact that he IS the Independent he has always been and that's what bothers you. He isn't a guy taking the right wing position. Here's what else seems to stick in your collective 'craws' - the fact that Mark Kirk is a bi-partisan leader who is known for that position in DC. I'd like to see the rhetoric lowered. Mr. Kirk is going to speak to his district and explain his vote. Can those of you who are ready to kick him out at least wait and hear him speak? And just for the record, did any of you notice that today, at Harper College, more than 2000 men and women participated in a Job Fair created by Mr. Kirk and his district staff. Are any of you aware that many will soon be gainfully employed thanks to the work of this man and his staff? Do any of you even care? I do. Thank You, Mark Kirk. Well done. Much appreciated, I'm sure.
Mike,
I would much rather see a moderate GOPer in the Senate than have a filibuster-proof majority for Reid/Pelosi/Obama.
Illinois hasn't swung red in the Presidential election since 1988 and in the Senate since 1998. With voters with your sentiment, this state will soon be as blue as Massachusetts.
Poster said:
>>> Kirk is a bi-partisan leader <<<
How did that "bi-partisan" thingy of Kirk's work out when Obama quadrupled the deficit??? Just curious.
I'm really stunned by the excuses offered for Kirk's vote. There's no way to address all the crap in his "explanation" for his vote. But if he followed the standard organization of an argument, the first reason he gives (reduce dependence on foreign oil) is the most important to him. But to believe that "alternative" sources of energy (rather than nuclear and more drilling in this country) will reduce dependence any time soon, if ever, merely reveals how stupid he must be. There are many independent analyses that show that outcome is the least probable.
Surprised and shocked? Really? Mark Kirk is a self-proclaimed moderate in a slightly Democratic, but massively pro-Obama district. He hadn't yet voted for any of the President's major policy initiatives, and was under pressure from a group that endorsed him on this particular bill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw7BMxXsSIk). I can understand disagreement, but I can't believe that the self-proclaimed "true believers" didn't know what was coming from the "independent" Mr. Kirk. Particularly, it should be noted, on an environmental issue, where he has built a significant amount of his independent bona fides.
As for the Congressman's explanation, I found it cogent, well-informed, and by no means a departure from his previous style. While I certainly think there were political calculations as well, I am encouraged to see that the Congressman believes a complicated bill on a complicated policy area deserves a fully developed position. As nice as sound bytes and ideological stands are, policy on the environment ought to be informed more by science and empirical reasoning than reflexive ideology. It is a welcome sight to see a Republican Congressman present a scientific explanation of his views.
The Congressman is fond of referring to the 10th as the "best-educated district in the country." I can't imagine this district accepting the rejection of scientific analysis in favor of political ideology.
Kirk has done a lot for our community and saved our veterans hospital.
Thank You, Anon 5:00 for your welcome, reasoned, measured response. Tempers and passions have never been higher and more out of character for this district. And why? Because Mr. Kirk did the 'unthinkable' and supported something alien to the Republican view. We have in Mark Kirk one of the most impressive Members in Congress who has stood up with independence and intellect on every vote he makes. Can we just wait to hear from him, can we wait to have a dialogue with this man who has done some pretty outstanding things for our district and our nation these past 9 plus years. How sad to think that the rush to judgment, the vitriol and disgusting charges, all without merit, are heaped on this man without the benefit of hearing him talk openly about the why's of the vote. A vote on a bill that we know will not come back to the US House as it left it last Friday once the Senate rips it apart. Can we step back and stop the lynch mentality. The 10th District is fast looking like a Chicago Ward operation. Not a pretty sight.
"The Congressman is fond of referring to the 10th as the "best-educated district in the country." I can't imagine this district accepting the rejection of scientific analysis in favor of political ideology."
You mean like this:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26/epa-plays-hide-and-seek-suppressed-report-revealed/
Will Kirk now change his vote?
You must be a member of this group:
"Rep. Kirk of Illinois, for instance, was among the top 20 recipients of PAC donations from environmental groups in the 2008 election cycle. He received $1,000 from the League of Conservation Voters (PAC), $4,000 from Ocean Champions (PAC) and $4,000 from Republicans for Environmental Protection (PAC). In this same cycle Republicans for Environmental Protection also donated $4,000 in PAC funds to Rep. Reichert."
How does it feel to support a man who sold out our economy for a few thousand dollars?
I've been reading this blog three and four times a day since Saturday morning, made a comment of my own, and now I have to admit I'M OVER MY ANGER AND DISAPPOINTMENT and still supporting and volunteering for Congressman Kirk. He has done so much for this district and for the country and I'm afraid to say I was swept up in all the histrionics about what a terrible vote he cast. People, stop and think what it would have been like if we had Dan Seals representing us. I don't think we would have agreed with any of his votes.
Let's stop all this, so we don't agree with one particular vote, give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he's doing and get over it. I have.
Baxter and Beau's Mom
Anon 7:16-
The report you are referring to, as I understand it, was not written by an environmental scientist, and was not a commissioned EPA report. It is not an equivalent to the suppression that occurred under the Bush administration. The author of that "report" was an economist working at another department of the EPA, and, as is my understanding, wrote the "report" in order to obtain that exact media reaction. I don't find Ms. Malkin's argument compelling in this matter, and in general would trust the scientific community over an online political commentator in the the area of climate science.
As for your reference to the Congressman's campaign contributions, that is an argument that cuts both ways. Kirk's environmental record and his campaign contribution reports were both public long before the most recent election. While you are alleging corruption, it is entirely possible that the donations were the result of Kirk's public policy positions, and not the other way around. While interest groups do try to persuade politicians with campaign donations, they also donate to candidates who already agree with them. Unless you provide evidence of a change in the Congressman's position coinciding with those donations, it is more reasonable to assume that his environmental record has always received plaudits from that community.
The regular readers of this blog will certainly find it odd that I am defending Kirk at all, considering my oft-leveled criticisms. Believe me, it feels weird on this end too.
P.S.-Baxter and Beau's Mom-
" give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he's doing and get over it"
That's an odd thing to read on a Republican blog, if I may be so bold.
>>>> It is a welcome sight to see a Republican Congressman present a scientific explanation of his views. <<<<
Oh, please...only to the untrained mind does Kirk's specious collection of cut-and-paste factoids pass for a "scientific explanation". Let's do some math right from Kirk's idiotic press release (ref http://www.house.gov/apps/list/
speech/il10_kirk/aces_blog.html).
1. Amount of CO2 produced by the Waukegan coal fired plant (2012) = 4,000,0000 tons.
2. Carbon offset for planting trees to capture carbon: 9 acres for 1 ton of CO2.
3. Amount of carbon credits required to be purchased or offset by the Waukegan power plant - the equivalent of 2,000,000 tons.
4. Total area required for satisfying carbon credits through tree planting offset: 2,000,000 x 9 = 18,000,000 acres or 252,100 square miles.
5. Area of the state of Illinois = 58,000 square miles.
SUMMARY: To do a tree planting carbon offset for just one medium sized coal fired generating plant requires trees to be planted in an combined area the size of the states of Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa - PER YEAR PER POWER PLANT
Obviously this whole tree planting offset is a distraction from the real purpose of this bill - it fools the sheeple into a sense of "greeness" when in fact the intent is to tax and control.
obvious typo in the previous post
"1. Amount of CO2 produced by the Waukegan coal fired plant (2012) = 4,000,0000 tons"
(one too many zeros on 4,000,000)
should read:
1. Amount of CO2 produced by the Waukegan coal fired plant (2012) = 4,000,000 tons
Mike-
Your objection to the idea of planting trees as the only implemented solution is valid...were that the proposed bill. ACES is not about planting trees. The main purpose of the bill, as I and the Congressman understand it, is to provide a market incentive to reduce the number you yourself provided, and hopefully bring coal-fired plants like Waukegan under 4,000,000 tons. I hope you wrote your comment out of a misunderstanding of the bill, and not intellectual dishonesty.
Also, you wrote "to an untrained mind..." as though you were a "trained" mind. Does that mean you are an environmental scientist? One would be welcome in this particular discussion.
Not only is Kirk getting money from envionmental groups, but he is also getting money from derivative traders. As everyone knows, cap and trade is also a wealth transfer from average citizens to investment bankers.
From opensecrets.org, Kirk's two biggest contributors:
1 Equitec Proprietary Markets $14,400 $14,400
2 Grosvenor Capital Management $12,000 $12,000
Any bets that these guys are members of the Chicago Climate Exchange?
"Congressman understand it, is to provide a market incentive to reduce the number you yourself provided."
So, not only does Kirk not understand basic math, he doesn't understand basic economics.
Tiki-
I never said planting trees was anything but a sham - but it was important enough to Kirk that he included in his press release. No doubt relying on decades of public education of the average American to hold him harmless from the occasional citizen able to hold his statements up to the light if critical thinking. And yes, I am trained as an applied mathematician and electrical engineer. Way back when I was at UIC (70s) - and the climate change fright du jour was an impending ice age - I took great amusement at "scientists" trying to model a complex multi-variable, non-linear system like global climate using a relative handful of metrics (always assumed to be accurate, of course). As our department head liked to say "Anyone claiming a global climate change model should first be a billionaire - because cracking Wall Street is childs' play compared creating a meaningful global climate model"...but it hasn't stopped 'em yet. Can't forecast the weather accurately more than a few days in advance - but hey, they've got the next fifty years all figured out!
It's laughable to think some people think the enviros "bought" Kirk's vote on ACES.
The guy raised what, close to 6 million during the 2008 cycle. And yet the "true believers" think the $8000 in PAC money really made a difference?
Get real, Kirk doesn't sell his vote like other Members of Congress.
Anon 11:56 I'm laughing right along with you. Kirk may be guilty of not communicating enough with his voters, but selling his soul? Mark Kirk is not, has never been a guy with a FOR SALE sign on his forehead. Playing fast and loose with outlandish charges like that just pollute an already over the top mess. No, Mark Kirk was not a man who sold his soul. He made a judgment call, angered some in his district, pleased and surprised many, but has a clear conscience when it comes to being bought on this or any other vote.
"Mark Kirk is not, has never been a guy with a FOR SALE sign on his forehead"
Yeah, what are people thinking. A politician passing a bill that benefits his biggest donors? Who has ever heard of such a thing? Anybody thinking that way has surely lost all credibility.
It is very sad to see Kirk get sucked into the myth that the global warming issue has been settled. Many scientist have found quite to the contrary; climate changes preceed C02 levels--not the other way around. Further, climate change (99.9%) is naturally cyclical, not man-made.
His vote to support this historically unimaginable, destructive and outrageous bill says to me he is for higher taxes, more government control over our lives and a reversal in our individual freedoms. It will not increase our domestic energy production, it will not create real jobs, it will however, reduce our standard of living as a whole and increase our vulnerability to hostile nations.
As a lifelong Republican I am sorely disappointed in Kirk and unless he changes his vote, which I understand he can do by July 2, I will work toward his defeat in any future political pursuit of public office.
This is for all of you who are totally and completely wrong on Kirk's ability to change his vote. It's AGAINST THE LAW. Rush gave you bogus information. This was a vote on final passage and not subject to change. Listen to Kirk's explanation before you crucify him. And who would you like to represent you in this district? A Democrat who would never stand on issues we care about. Kirk voted against the Stimulus, the Omnibus Bill, he is against earmarks. And I'm urging you to watch his leadership on what's coming in the healthcare debate and vote. You still want a Democrat? Get real.
Since when has Mark Kirk been on the GOP Reservation? He votes with Democrats just as much as he votes with the GOP, no matter who is President.
The biggest problem with Mr. Kirk's vote is that it gives cover to the two Dem's who voted AGAINST ACES! Mark Kirk must be defeated!
http://www.defeatmarkkirk.com
Kirk's flatly wrong.
1) This cap and trade has a premise that is insane that being that man causes global warming. So me the evidence! I will show you my evidence. Mars and Earth surface temp increases and decreases are identical. Mars has much more Carbon Dioxide and it has no life forms. The sole cause of global warming and cooling is solar activity not man.
2) This is a dangerous precedent to adopt a false or junk science based on some notion that it will reduce dependency on middle eastern oil. This makes no sense. Middle easterners have nothing but oil. They trade for food, clothing and everything else. This stupid notion of demonizing the middle east as our enemies is unproductive.
3) This tax will cost US competitiveness in business. Manufacturing business will migrate to Asia. Asia has a superb workforce of 4 billion. Labor costs are cheap. The Chinese stimulus plan, is building 32 new nuclear power plants, and more than 300 nuclear plants by 2040.
In short, Kirk's mind is broken. He deserves the ire of republicans and he will be punished for this stupid vote. What will happen from this vote is that China will become the Middle East's main trading partner. The US will continue to propagate the myth that Saudi, Iraq, and Emirates are our enemy which is patently false. Even IRAN would be a good trading partner if obama had supported the people in the last election rather than the dictator. Cap and Trade is the worst of all worlds.
Lordrobot
Mark Kirk voted for everything detailed here. VOTE HIM OUT
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTc1MmVhMGYxY2UzNzAwMTJlODBjZjg2NDJjNmM2MWE=&w=MA==
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